As many of you may know there was some dicussion at my section(#2)on sat. in regards to the rules pertaining to stalling a machine (while footing) or not ..And that this infraction can/should not be counted as a five (but rather whatever amt. of points currently earned by the rider). There were many different opinions stated at the time and a rather heated discussion ensued. Well to all of those who tried to talk themselves (while claiming indifference) or someone else out of a five (which is also against the rules,8.0 d 3) you were ALL WRONG, DEAD WRONG. The rules DO indeed state "WHILE FOOTING" as you said it did, BUT the fact that it is listed under the "FAILURE" Definition's(sect. 8.0 B 10) automatically makes it a FIVE !! PERIOD ... NO FURTHER DISCUSSION NECCESSARY. Had it been listed under "FAULT" definition's you may have had some grounds for a protest,but it isnt.I would like to make an observation(no pun intended), If you are one who is so inclined to argue rules etc.. maybe you should know them , or better yet print them out and carry them with you at all times , to save this from happening yet again !! That being said I had great time and I think a good time was had by all.. Chad

ANYBODY ???? (crickets ...) Its kind of funny that on saturday all kinds of people had all sorts of crap to talk , but now NOTHING !!! If you have enough mouth to try to call someone to the carpet , you also need to have enough balls to apologize after you were so obviously and comepletely WRONG !! CHAD

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First, let me say I'm just the messenger.
At a CTC event a few months ago we had a
situation just like this, and after a little research, we found that the NATC rules alow footing with a dead engine, provided you do not stop. So I contacted Brother Ron "El President"
and he told me that STRA had adopted NATC rules a few years ago. The STRA rules that are on the home page do not appear to have been updated to match the NATC rules. My apologies for not sharing this Info before now.

Tim

I believe that was at the CTC fun event in aug ? If so I was there and witness to the whole thing. This situation was not the same as that, this bike was at a full stop, feet up, then stalled, feet down = 5. But thanks for the response Tim (you were not one of those being questioned !) Chad

Good call!, bike stopped, dead engine, feet down = 5

Tim

To start with, I have heard all I am going to about the problem at the CTC event. That was BS just like this non issue is BS. What happened in your section Sat. Chad was a 5, the rider got a 5, end of story. Once again, I was making a joke, and somewhere it took a serious turn, which you have taken as a personal attack. That was never my intention. At this point, I'm seeing this, not as much about the rules or non rules, as it is about personalities. Now on a good note, your bike looks great, you did a good job on it. Chad, you are a fair and a reasonable scorer, who has nothing more on your mind than doing the right thing every time for the riders in your section. We all think you for that. The STRA needs more people like you. As for me, I will work on my non sence of humor. Hopfully I will develope a better one.

Darrell

Darrell The Problem was not really with you or your sense of humor, I thought it was (at first ,a funny reference to the now infamous push out for a three or were it five moment of earlier this year !) But the rider in question Saturday continued with it until it BECAME a personal attack with the "you're the guy with the marker you need to "MAN UP" and make a decision !"comment. Regardless of the fact that he was the one that brought it up in the first place , he continued to play "MARTYR" claiming he did not care what mark was given. As we know people do not ask for something that they do not want. So Darrell I apologize if I offended you. Your intent was (albeit weak LOL)to joke
and I knew that . And Thanks again for the plastics, CHAD.

CHAD,
I"m glad the air is clear between us, as you have already seen, I don't have a lot of frends, and you CAN SEE why. I'm PROUD to be able to call you, my frend!!! Yea.... I know, it was weak... I'll work on it. On the plastics, if I have it, and you need it, it will always be yours.
Hope to ride with you soon,
"U THE MAN"

TD

Thanks Darrell I appreciate it . And as far as the riding goes you NEED to come down south to B'ham for a sunday ride one weekend , I promise you would be pleasantly surprised by what we have to ride here !! Let me know !! CHAD

According to the rules, the following scenarios are not fives?

Engine stops, rider has feet on pegs, leans tire against tree for balance, restarts engine and exits section having not put his foot down at all. Score: 0

I've seen riders balanced and in control but their bike stalls and they just sit down and curse and accept a five. Could they have had a clean?

Scenario 2: Engine stops, rider foots his way three or more times forward without stopping, coasts without footing, stops and balances without footing, starts engine and exits. Score: 3

Scenario 3: Rider has a busted engine so he takes off his chain and pumps up the tires. Paddles his way through section with dead engine without stopping. Score: 3

According to rules this is a 5:
Rider skid plates log, stalls and stops, kickstarts, continues on without ever putting foot down. But if rider does not stop when the engine stalls and he uses both feet to push off the log then coasts, kickstarts and exits without more dabs, the score is a 2?

The gray area is how do you define being stopped while footing with a dead engine. During the no stop rules era I remember an unspoken guideline of allowing up to 3 seconds to stop while footing. Now there seems to be an allowance of more than a foot to go backwards. So a generous checker could allow you to stall, stop a couple of seconds while going backwards 18 inches with your foot down, kickstart and then give you a one?