Please post your recommended items for the Business Meeting here.

Thanks,
John

The most often thing I hear is the debate between keeping the Gate system of marking to maintain compliance with NATC systems, or the return to a "split" type of marking formerly used, which simplifies line choices and eliminates the use of "imaginary lines" between gate markers.

Lets debate this rule of contesting other riders scores at the sections.
We need to clarify or remove this rule since we dont inforce the rule.
We see it happen to someone ever year lately
So how can we solve this issue.

For those who are wondering what our president was talking about at the riders meeting on Sunday mentioning that riders can not contest other riders scores here goes. I pointed out to Randy on our first section on Saturday that he rode through another class’s gate. It was certainly not my intension to have the checker change his score, but that is what happened. One way to solve this issue is for me to keep my big mouth shut and I will in the future. Whoever has the power, please feel free to disqualify me from Saturday’s results. Sorry Randy!

Hey no hard feeling frank. Theres is alot of misunderstanding of the rule. That is what this post is about not to shove blame at anyone. I was told the rule only applies to another rider turning in a formal protest not in the sections.
thanks

The rule is, a rider can't protest another riders score. A protest, has to be written and turned in to the trialmaster or referee. Anybody can say anything in or outside a section. It may not be proper,and be considered unsportsmanlike. Whatever verbal conversation may happen, should not affect the observers call.

Aw Randy, stop whining. The checker was a kid, you missed a gate and should've got a 5 and that's what you got. So don't propose a rule because you unfairly got the score that you deserved.

I propose a no crybaby rule. Whiners should be publicly ridiculed.

Haha gotcha, so Randy bring your bike this weekend and try to kick my arse.

Actually, I have a serious proposal. I have learned about a goofy incident recently that happened with an enduro club that I will not name. A bunch of guys were at a farmer's land to lay out the course and got a bit carried away with ripping around and raising hell and ended up causing a lot of problems with the landowner and getting the event cancelled.

The point to me is that a few bad apples can misbehave and reflect badly on the whole club.

I think we should maybe have a code of behavior that we agree to follow, basically being that we should be respectful of others and take care of our riding grounds and pick up after ourselves, etc. And we should require that members sign that when joining, with the recognition that serious infraction could result in expulsion. We could also sign a waiver to cover all club events at the same time, if we have somebody who could notarize the signatures at the business meeting or events. That way we could keep a permanent waiver form on file for all our club activities.

I'll volunteer to draft something up, and if we can find someone in the club to notarize the signatures then this would be a good thing to have I think.

dan

Now I'm on a roll. I think that everyone who rides our events should be required to be a club member. If they haven't joined for the season, then we should require the rider to purchase a one-day membership for $5 or something. This would serve three purposes:
1. it would encourage people to join the club
2. riders would thereby agree to abide by club rules, and our events would really be private club rides rather than public events (this may have some liability and political implications)
3. it would bring in more money to the club treasury, funded completely by people who would not otherwise directly contribute to the club

dan

I have had this happen to me also. I think it is unsportsman like and causes hard feelings among competitors. We do this for the fun so if there is a question on a rider show some respect wait until they leave the section and then ask the observer if it was a fault.

Since there are lots of different people checking, some like me who don't know squat.
How about a card with the point drawing infractions on it. And a guide as to what is acceptable Observer and participant Behavior and what is not.
These could be passed out with the punches, also include a marker for when the punch fails. And laminated for moist days.

I think a discussion would be good about how to attract more riders/members and new venues for events.

I think the website being more up to date might help.
Being able to clic on the events tab and see the latest info on events would even help me.

The results on the results link.

A current points standing page shows the compettion in progress.

Current pictures of riding and events.

Some maps of the event venues to help prospective spectators see some action and not feel so lost. Just put it with the entry.

Some section video posted on "you tube" but linked from the website. Maybe show a tutorial of each line and the possible routes and their difficulty levels.

The more I participate the more I want to help others to try it!

Time limits

Hey rooster going riding with dan b this weekend who knows he may get lost or ran over
you want to help i mean go with us!!!

As a response to the issue of time limits, I'd like to propose something, perhaps different from what Al B. may have in mind.

I suggest that we might make our trials consist of 3 loops of 9 sections instead of 4 loops of 8. The additional section will reduce lines at the section a little (theoretically by about 12%), and the 3 loop trial should get finished sooner. We could make them 3 loops of 10 if someone were concerned that 27 sections (3 x 9) is not enough (we now do 32 sections), but then there is a concern about needing 2 more observers. I think the 3 loop by 9 section is doable.

John, I guess you're making a list of these?
dan

p.s., I'm not sure Randy will make it to the meeting, Alex and I last saw him way up on the mountain somewhere but I swear I didn't do it.

I like Dan's idea for 3 loops, at least at TTC. I wouldn't get lapped on the loop as much!

I would like to discuss possible changes to the participation classes. Example 1: Do we need an additional class between Sportsman and Expert? SA could ride about 1/2 the easier Advanced sections and 1/2 the harder Sportsman sections with no additional work for the promoter. (A few more awards though). Example 2: Do we still need the Champ class or could it be merged with the current Expert class with a few real tough lines?

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The more I participate the more I want to help others

Well that was nice of Paul to volunteer to help out with proposed web site updates. I think he is on to something. In the spirit of the Holiday I too will volunteer. Do we need someone to keep track of event results and year end points?

Frank

I would say the holiday "Spirits" have convinced Frank to keep the website scores and points up to date. Does anyone participate in more series es than Frank? I doubt it! Thats how I know he is well qualified.

What I was vaguely suggesting is delegate "bits" of the website, so it would not be so overwhelming. I would be happy to to take on one such job. I'll read while Frank types.

Frank: You are in luck- I believe the postion to track results and points will be available for 2007!

Paul: We will gladly accept your offer to help. I suggest getting with Ron Milam or John Godwin for web support specifics.